Current Events in our Association Area


Subject: OCGS annual meeting

Meeting was on April 15, 2015 and was held at our Presidents home 10 Glencliffe Cir, Ron Diener

Our agenda was:

Election of Officers
Rule 8 motion

Treasurer report
irs tax exempt- 990N filing 2015
Md personal property return 2015
Our Ins coverage

Ridge at Old Court
Shapiro prop
more participation
deer proposal
news letters


Subject: OCGS annual meeting

Meeting was Apr 7, 2014 at our Treasuer's home, 2910 OCR Joanne Warres

The meeting was called to order. Sorry to report that attendance was sparce.

Discussed was:
our dues and financial position
Rule 8 resolution
Vote on continuing our insurance coverage
Election continued our current officers
Our 503(c)(4) status
The status of the Ridge at Old Court development


Subject: The blog

I have been considering this running blog of information and have come to the conclusion  that this blog in addition to the 2 yearly newsletter is too time consuming to maintain. I realize that the blog is accessible to both people outside our association and to members of OCGS who have not bothered to give me their email addresses, but if they have not supplied their email addresses I must assume they are not really interested in the information and would not read this blog anyway.

I do send out emails regularly to all members who have given me their email whether or not they are dues payers. Important information, that is information other than those items supplied to me by the county like crime alerts or trash collection dates, I include in the two yearly newsletters that go out to all OCGS members whether or not the member is a dues payer. I believe that OCGS sends out more info by email than the other 16 association of PGCC combined. I keep our association well informed of current events. 

I believe that I can stop this running blog as I believe it is a duplicate of information I send out. If the members of OCGS disagree and tell me so, I will restart the blog. Larry Carton, secty


Subject: Hearings Office Remand

The HO has remanded our case back to the Planning Depts. A Development Plan Conference must be held and new development plans must be submitted by the developer. Once a decision is made, it will go back to the HO. See the order on our website.

The missing records were found. See prior note.


Subject: Bd of Appeals remand

Bd of Appeals orders the case to be remanded to the HO for action. See order on our website.


Subject: Board of Appeals hearing after Circuit Court remand.

The Feb 2013 Circuit Court decision remanded the court case concerning 2801 OCR back to the Md Board of Appeals with instruction to send it back to the county for review.

Today, at 9:30 am the Board of Appeals met to deliberate the Court's decision. There were several members of OCGS Improv Assoc., and PGCC present as well as our attorney, Carrol Holzer. Only the developer was present for the opposing side. The 3 member Board of Appeals called no witnesses or acknowledged any people present at the deliberations.

The 3 members discussed that they had not previously held a de novo hearing but only looked at the record sent up by the ALJ. They did not feel they had the authority or expertise to make a decision on the court issue. They decided to follow the procedure ordered by the court and send the case back to the ALJ to return to the county for further action. One interesting development was that the court apparently lost all the files and exhibits and has been unable to locate them.

At present, the developer cannot get a final approval on his development plan, nor can he file a recorded plat which means, I think, that he can not get permits to build. Any thing he does without a building permit before final approval of his development plan is done at his own risk. He has moved ahead with his project by filing for stage 2 approvals and purchasing the property he needed to make sewer connections, but I do not think he can get stage 2 approvals until this issue is decided.

That is where it stands for the moment. We have no date at present for the hearing at the ALJ level. Nor do we know what the ALJ may do. He could try to decide the court issue himself or he could return the plan to planning board to look at the specific court issue or to just start all over again with the planned development. We will just have to wait and see.

2013/Apr 24

Subject: OCGS annual meeting

The annual meeting was held at our president's home (Ron Diener) at 7:30pm as advertised in our newsletter.

First action was the election of officers. There being no individuals opposed to the current officers,(or willing to stand for election) , the current officers agreed to be re-elected to their positions for the following year..

A vote was taken to approve the section 8 rule resolution allowing certain people to testify before county agencies on behalf of the Association.

A treasury report was given and it was noted that only the same individuals year after year are repeatedly the active members. We can not seen to get younger or newer members to take an active role in our Association. We do not wish to simply disappear like some other association in our area and our goal of keeping our association area a nice place to live to be left to chance.

A report was given concerning the proposed develop at 2801 and the court case in which we were involved. We are awaiting the next move by the developer.

The meeting was adjourned at 9pm.

2013/Jan 23

Subject: Court Decision on the Ridge at Old Court

The Circuit Court on Jan 16 issued a decision on the development at 2801 Old Court Rd (AKA The Ridge at Old Court). OCGS has opposed this development which originally proposed 8 houses and later was revised to 6 houses on basically 3 acres of build-able land. We had argued in court that the county had not taken into account the steep slopes under BCC sec.32-4-215 on this property before approving the development.

OCGS had argued this point at the CIM(community input meeting) required by the county in 2010, before the Hearing Officer at the first level administrative hearing in Jun. 2011, the Board of Appeals in Mar. 2012, and the Circuit Court in Nov 2012. The Circuit Court finally agreed with our argument in Jan 2013. The development approval has been remanded to the county.

The developer has several options. Anything from appealing the Circuit Court decision to the Court of Special Appeals, to offering a building settlement to OCGS and PGCC and several other options in between. It is unlikely the developers will walk away from their investment.

A complete copy of the decision will be posted on this website shortly under - Information on Proposed Changes in Our Association Area.

We hope that this decision will be a warning to all developers that if a development does not meet with the approval of the community and its standards, it will be opposed.

Please remember that this case will continue somewhere depending on the developers decision. When dues notices are issued in Mar 2013, we ask all homeowners to join OCGS and if possible make an additional donation to our treasury.

2012/Dec 24

Subject: Homestead Tax credit - non dues payers

At the urging and assistance of the executive director of PGCC, the Secty of OCGS made a 35 postcard mailing to OCGS members who had not paid dues and/or not provided email addresses and who, according to the public Md State assessment and taxation records, were eligible but had not filed for the tax credit. Provided on the postcard was the lnternet link to the application. This was done as a member service.

2012/Dec 22

Subject: Homestead Tax Credit

Maryland offers homeowners a tax credit on their yearly tax bill if the bill is on their principle residence. However, Maryland requires a homeowner to file for this credit because too many people were filing on a second vacation home, rentals, etc. (Also because a number of tax payers would over look the required filing to obtain this credit in my humble opinion.).

On Dec 12 an email was sent to all members of the OCGS Improv Assoc. who had provided their email address while paying the yearly dues.

On Dec 22, the secty of the assoc. personally reviewed the Md Dept. of Assessment and Taxation data base for those OCGS members who had provided email addresses or had paid dues even if an email address was not supplied.

The secty individually notified those members who had not filed for the credit according to the Maryland data base by repeat email or by telephone and provided the necessary form to be filed by Dec 31.

Those members who had not paid dues or had not provided an email address or telephone number were not checked as to their tax credit status. A quick sample check indicated that a number of members in this category had not applied for the credit. (About 5% estimated.) Too bad.

2012/Nov 14

Subject: Baltimore County Circuit Court Hearing

Heard before Judge Susan Souder

Concerning the proposed development at 2801 OCR (the Ridge at Old Court): OCGS has opposed the development of 6 houses on 3 build-able acres .

The Circuit Court hearing was held on Nov 14, 2012 at the Baltimore County Court House in Towson. Only the attorneys were allowed to speak. The issue argued orally before the Court was that the degree of the steepness of the slopes prohibits construction at this site. The issue being that County development regulation 32 prohibits development were property slopes have an incline of 25% or more. Judge Souder had prepared carefully for this Hearing. She was of the opinion that some of the proposed houses were near or on these slopes. Development regulation 33 requires that slopes have a method of moderating damage incorporated into the development plan before it is approved, most often as a forest buffer zone. Our argument before the Court was that the County approved the development plan only using development regulation 33, and without consideration of regulation 32. (As noted by Judge Souder, the forest buffer for this development is not anywhere near the steep slopes on this property.) The County would have had to issue a variance if the development plan before the Court had been properly considered under regulation 32. This had not been done. We expect a decision within 2 to 8 weeks.

2012/Aug 22

Subject: Accident reports and rumble strips at OCR and Lightfoot

Accident reports thru 2011 have been received and will shortly be placed on our website.

In addition, your representative at the Traffic and Safety Meeting requested rumble strips to slow traffic and enforcement of the pedestrian crossing at OCR and Lightfoot Dr. We have now received notice that a review of the pedestrian crossing on MD 133 at Lightfoot Drive, for Beth Tfiloh School has been completed. SHA will submit a work order to the Maintenance dept to have rumble strips installed and the pedestrian crossing markings refreshed. Let me remind drivers, if a pedestrian is about to cross the road at this crossing and you fail to stop to allow pedestrians to cross, you will receive a $400 ticket if the police are present.

2012/Jun 7

Subject: CZMP hearing

Your representative attended the County Council CZMP meeting at Pikesville High School. We were in favor of downzoning the 50 acre property East of Lightfoot Dr and on the South side of OCR known as the Shapiro property to DR-1. It is currently zoned DR-2. The building plan approved in 2009 was at a DR-1 density. But if the building plan is not acted upon or if the property is sold to another developer, then a new plan could be based on DR-2 allowing double the number of houses already approved.

2012/May 31

Subject: Traffic and Safety Meeting

Your representative(and other members of PGCC) met with State and County traffic officials and representatives of several legislators. OCGS approved of the speed rumble strips placed on OCR near park school. OCGS suggested that similar strips be placed on OCR near Beth Tifila . OGS also asked for the accident reports for 2009 thru 2011 so that they could be placed on the web site. The OCR and Greenspring intersection was discussed and the State promised to replace the shrubbery at the corner, the cell phone tower and fix the broken sewer lid on the nw corner of OCR.

2012/April 17

Subject: 2801 decision - OCGS to appeal

The officers of OCGS decided to appeal to the court level the appeal board's decision to allow the development at 2801 (the Ridge at OCR). The officers determined that sufficient funds and reserves existed to appeal this decision. OCGS believe the proposed development is not consistent with the existing developments in our area.

2012/ Mar 29

Subject: CZMP (Comprehensive Zoning Map Project)

The county held the CZMP meeting at Pikesville High School at 7PM.

PGCC had asked for the property at (AKA the Shapiro Property) to be down zoned to DR-1. The current approved building plan is within DR-1 zoning but should this plan not be implemented or if the property is sold to another developer who returns with another plan then it is possible with the current zoning in place that double the number of houses could be built. This would far exceed DR-1. It would also place pressure on the Hidden Waters property to be upgraded for zoning or be developed if the current approved building plan was changed.

The OCGS representative was on the zoning committee of PGCC as this property was in our Association area. He was allowed to speak for 2 minutes before the County Planning Board to ask for approval of the down zoning.

2012/ Mar 22

Subject: Board of Appeals decision on the Ridge at Old Court (2801 OCR)

The BOA issued its ruling on the request to over turn the county approved plan to allow 6 houses to be built on this property. As are most decisions at this level, the appeal was turned down in favor of the builder.

We believe this approval is ridiculous. While the property has nominally 8 acres at DR-1, only 2.5-3 are build-able. Having 6 houses on this small area will not be compatible with housing in the area nor is it in keeping OCR as a scenic byway.

2012/ Feb 1

Subject: Annual meeting 2012

The OCGS annual meeting was held at Karen Teplitzky's (our Treasurer) home on 5 Saxony Ct at 7:30 PM Feb 1, 2012.

Ron Deiner (President) gave a report concerning the state of our suit against 2801 OCR. A hearing decision on our appeal is pending.

Karen Teplitzky (Treasury) gave a Treasury report and reported the amount of dues received and the balance of our bank account. Discussed were Paul Leand's donations as well as donations in excess of dues by a number of our members. A review of our legal fees with 2801 were discussed.

Larry Carton (Secretary) asked for a vote on paying annual 2012 dues to PGCC, a vote on Rule 8 ( allows officers and others to testify at hearings, zoning, etc as representatives of OCGS), and authorization to pay our Officers and Director's Insurance. All three were voted in the affirmative.

Elections took place. Ron Deiner remains President, Valarie Binder remains VP. Joanne Warres was elected Treasurer and Karen Teplitzky took the position of assistant Treasurer. Larry Carton remains Secretary.

The Officers and Directors authorized the new Treasurer and assistant Treasurer to complete whatever paper work is necessary to transfer banking powers.

Mical Carton will assist Joanne in setting up accounting software for OCGS.

Also discussed at the meeting were the deer problem, the continuing traffic problems especially at the Greenspring intersection, other possible development, zoning, and open space.

The meeting was adjoined at 9PM

These notes of the meeting are attested to as correct and complete by the Secretary, Larry Carton and will be added to our website.

2012/Jan 18

Subj: Hearing Deliberations for 2801 OCR

The deliberations began at 9am. Present for 2801 were the developer and an attorney associate from the representing firm. Present for OCGS were Mrs. and Mr. Leland and one member from Greenspring East. Deliberations took about 1/2 hour. Only two issues were considered by the 3 hearing officers. One was compatibility of the development with surrounding properties and the other was the steepness of the slopes. The hearing officers dismissed both issues. A formal decision will be issued and OCGS will have to decide whether or not to pursue the issue thru the court system. In truth, in the development process, the only time the community gets to speak and really has a chance to voice any complaints is durning the CIM and those complainants voiced only have some small chance of being considered. Statistics show that most complaints will be disregarded by the county and the developer will prevail.

2012/ Jan 13

Subj: Newsletter for Winter 2012

The newsletter and enclosures were completed and mailed out today.

2011/ Dec

Subj: Dues and Annual meeting date for 2012

The Officers and Board members consulted by email and phone over several weeks about the need to raise dues in light of our heavy legal expenses and when we could arrange our annual meeting for 2012. By consensus, dues where restored to the previous amount of $50 per year to help restore our treasury and to fund further legal proceedings if necessary.

A meeting date of Feb 1, 2012, 7:30pm at our Treasurer's home was decided upon and notification will be sent out to all homeowners with the newsletter.

2011/Nov 12

Subj: 2700 OCR update and 2805 Grasty Woods LN sale

We learned that the property at 2700 OCR was sold for $280K a couple of weeks after the auction reported in our Nov 3 note.

The house at 2805 Grasty Woods Ln ( just above the beltway on Greenspring), consisting of 2.42 ac, 1698 sq feet structure, assessed for $377k, sold for $227k on Nov 3 at auction.

2011/Nov 10

Subj: Hearing on the Ridge on Old Court Rd

There were close to a dozen OCGS residents at the Appeal Hearing for the proposed development at 2801 OCR. This hearing involved only the attorneys who state their cases for or against the ALJ Hearing decision. No new evidence is allowed to be submitted. No witnesses are called. The Attorneys sum up their client's positions and they will be allowed to submit their arguments in detail in writing prior to Dec 16. Another hearing will be held which is open to the public where the public can watch the deliberation of the 3 judges on the items challenged. This will probably take place in early 2012. Then a decision is issued and 30 days is allowed for either party to go into circuit court to contest the appeal decision.

OCGS protested 6 items of the ALJ from the original Administration Hearing. For example, the compatibility of the density of the housing based on contiguous properties was challenged; the fact that the county did not consider that slopes on the property exceeded 25% degrees; and, the fact that the county will not take over the management of the storm water pond were some of the challenges raised.

Based on statistics, the Appeals Hearing generally finds in favor of the developer. The next step for the community is to file in district court. This would require the purchasing of the transcript of the original Administrative Hearing. An expensive proposition when added to other costs involved.

At our annual meeting to be held in the first quarter of 2012 (date not yet set), it is expected that the board will restore the $50 amount for yearly dues and a request will be made for addition funds from our members above the annual dues amount.

2011/Nov 3

Subj: Notice of Appeal Hearing

Email was sent to all OC/GS members who have supplied email addresses, concerning the upcoming Appeals Hearing on the property at 2801 OCR. The hearing will be on Nov. 10 at 10am. OCGS is opposing the building of 6 houses on basicly a 3AC footprint.

2011/Nov 3

Subj: House values

On Oct 28, the property at 2700 Old Court Rd was auctioned. The assessed value according to county records was $325,300 total for land and house. The land was 2.286AC in size. The property failed to sell with a final bid of $275,000 which was rejected by the owner. The property is zoned DR1, has a water connection (but not connected) and septic tank.

2011/Jul 19

Subj: WEB training

Those association members who were interested in establishing a WEB page for their own association attended a training class for using WordPress. A template page has been established and the attendees were shown how to enter information. Their WEB page would be hosted by PGCC. Go to <> to see the PGCC home page and the links to associations. OCGS representative was in attendance.

2011/Jul 16

Subj: PGCC annual social

PGCC had its annual social where non coalition associations were invited to mix with PGCC association members and lobbied to join. Officers were introduced and several politicians or their staff were present. OCGS representative was in attendance.

2011/Jul 11

Subj: PGCC exec meeting

Discussion revolved around the up coming CZMP (rezoning process). Several proposals were made concerning possible rezoning requests. OCGS representative was in attendance.

2011/Jun 27

Subj: HOH Decision for 2801

The judge found for the developer and against the community. Six houses will be allowed to be built on effectively 2.5 acres of land if the decision is not appealed.

2011/May 26

Subj: HOH for 2801 OCR

Your President Ron Diener, your secretary Larry Carton , as well as the President of PGCC Neville Jacobs, a member of Greenspring East HOA, as well as 4 other OCGS members and homeowners also attended the hearing which ran from 10am to 5:30pm with a half hours lunch break. This was a surprising turn out. 

The main issues presented were: a. the compatibility of the housing design (including yard requirements) and lot size with existing develop on OCR, b. the runoff management of storm water and possible inability to connect to a storm water line in Greenspring East HOA; the building of a 15+ retaining wall for the proposed storm water pond and the county's refusal to take over its management; the possibility of having to construct a 35 foot deep 15+ wide trench (with BLASTING thru rock) to lay a pipe to channel north runoff water to the south required storm water pond; c. the failure to document and take into account the 25% slope into the properties on Spring Briar by either the county or the developer.

If the hearing officer rules fully in favor of the developer, then we will have 6 houses, each 2 stories high shoved closely together with no yards on 2 1/2 acres along OCR, a storm water pond with 15 foot high walls and a 35+ foot depth holding water above the houses in Greenspring East and with possible flooding of the Greenspring East pond, the possible loss of the existing tree covered forest conservation space, and no developer responsibility for the development after 1 year. 

Wether or not the hearing examiner rules in our favor, in my opinion, the decision will be appealed to the courts. At that time it will be OCGS and Greenspring HOA members responsibility to decide if we continue to oppose the development thru the courts with it attendant costs if no settlement can be reached. (It is unlikely to be a settlement on either side.)

2011/May 18

Subj: Traffic and Safety Meeting

Your OCGS representative, along with representatives from other associations, met with State and County representatives to discuss issues in the PGCC area. The main issue concerning OCGS is the hiding of the control cabinet for the traffic light at the OCR/GS intersection and the shrubbery at the telephone monopole site.

Also discussed was a left hand arrow for those people going east on OCR and wishing to make a left hand turn to go north on GS, The OCGS representative opposed any left hand light at that location.

2011/ April 29

Subj: 2801 Hearings

The hearing took place on April 28 from 10am-4:30pm and April 29 from 1pm to 4:30. Additional hearing to be held on Thursday May 26 from 10am until done. Our engineer will be giving testimony. Residents who are concerned about this development should come to the hearing. OCGS is very concerned about runoff and drainage and the waste water management pond that does not meet county requirements for county maintenance management. Email will be sent out to all OCGS residents who have supplied email addresses before the next hearing just as we did for the first hearings listing time place and room number. Greenspring East will also attend the hearing as a number of their members are also affected. A request will also be made for funds to replenish our money accounts.

2011/April 17

Subj: 2801 hearing

Hearing Date is April 28. Email will be sent out to all OCGS members who have provided email addresses.

2011/Feb 23

Subj: 2801 Hearing Officers Hearing scheduled for Feb 24

The HOH has been postponed until April or May.

2011/ Feb 22

Subj: PGCC CAP 2020

OCGS officer attended County Council meeting which adopted the PGCC Community Action Plan and attached it to the County Masterplan.

2011/ Feb 21

Subj: Annual meeting

Our annual meeting took place at Ron Dieners at 7:30pm. A report by our president on 2801 OCR was given. Discussion of the Shapiro property ruling last year was discussed. Treasurer report was given by email. Election of Officers was done. Ron Diener was persuaded to retain the office of President for 1 additional year. Erika Schon had requested that if a replacement could be found she would like to resign her VP position. Valerie Binder accepted the position of VP. Rule 8 resolution was put forth and voted upon. Dues amount were discussed and will be raised next year due to legal costs. The meeting adjourned at 9pm

2011/Feb 15

Subj: Newsletter and dues requests

Newsletter and due requests were sent out. Newsletter copy put on website.

2011/Jan 20

Subj: Acting President

Our current President, Ron Deiner, has asked to resign due to health issues at our next annual meeting.

2011/Jan 19

Subj: County Council Meeting

Larry Carton, secty of OCGS IMP Assoc. and a member of the PGCC CAP committee, testified before the County Council asking for the Council to approve the Community Action Plan (CAP) for the East-Pikesville/Greenspring area. This is the next to the last step for the Plan to become part of the 2020 County Master Plan.

2010/Nov 9

Subj: DPC hearing for 2801 OCR

Notice was sent by email to all OCGS association members (who have provided email addresses) about the DPC (Dev Planning Comm) hearing concerning the property at 2801 OCR. OGGS will also send a representative or more to the hearing on Nov 17.

2010/Oct 7

Subj: Planning Board Hearing

The Secty of OCGS appeared before the Planning Board as a member of the CAPS committee to give testimony in favor of accepting and approving PGCC's submittal of the 2010 update for the 2020 County Master Plan.

2010/Aug 27

Subj: CAPS (Community Action Plan)

On Sept 1, OCGS will be at the CIM (Community Input Meeting)on PGCC'S proposed CAPS that will be held at Ohed Shalom at 7:30PM. It is an open public meeting to offer comments on the PGCC plan to the county about what we would like to see done in our community for the next 10 years. It also has a accident report for the entire CAPS area which may surprise you. The complete draft of the CAPS can be found and down loaded by going to < > and selecting the CAP tab.

2010/Aug 23

Subj: Donation to the Police (PCRP)

OCGS has donated $100 again this year to the police.

2010/ May 25

Subj: Accident reports, CAPS (Community Action Plans) meeting, etc

Since the last report, your representative has attended 3 PGCC Executive meetings, 2 PGCC board meetings, 3 CAPS meetings and a meeting with SHA and county roads reps.

After a mere two years we have been able to secure accident reports for 2006 thru 2008 (the latest report available) for OCR. It has now been uploaded to our web site under Accidents. OCGS will comment on the statistics at a future time. Briefly, you must combine the 2 reports to come up with the total of accidents along OCR (aprox 52, including 4 involving school buses) from Stevenson Rd (MD129) to Falls Road (MD 25) from 2006 thru 2008. It does not include accidents at the intersection of Seven Mile Lane or Lightfoot Dr. and it includes some portions of OCR out side of our association area. Note also that the accidents listed are only those accidents where the police responded and made a report. For example, people who run into deer and do not call the police to report the collision are not included in the accident report even if they had property damage to their vehicle.

The CAPS meetings concern the future of our community. It is our vision of what we would like to see, or not see, happen in our community and it becomes part of the county's 2020 master plan if adopted by the county council. After the many county agencies review the plan there will be a CIM (Community Input Meeting) for all people in the CAPS plan area. This meeting is required and held by the county. At present we think the CIM will be in Sept.

2010/ Feb 25

Subj: Continuing news

Since Dec 9, 2009 the OC/GS secretary has attended 4 meetings and completed one section of the PGCC area Master Plan for Baltimore County with the PGCC Community Action Plan committee.

The Deer Coordinator has received only 2 calls regarding dead or struck deer and reported both to the proper county agency to meet the necessary statistic for signs and road protectors. There have been more dead deer seen by the Coordinator, but if the homeowners where the deer are lying are not interested in reporting, then neither is the coordinator.

OC/GS is still waiting for the state to supply accident statistics for OCR and for the OC/GS intersection.

2009/Dec 9

Subj: Contribution to Attorney fund re 2801 OCR

OCGS officers voted to contribute to an attorney fund to modify the development plans on 2801 OCR. PGCC also voted, after OCGS requested funds, to contribute to the fund.

2009/Nov 25

Subj: PCRC Donation

OCGS officers voted to donate $100 to the Police Community Relations Council for our district

2009/ Nov 13

2009/ Nov 13

Subj: Highway Safety Meeting

OCGS and other associations met with County and State officials to discuss traffic and safety problems in our area.

2009/ Nov 5

Subj: CIM for 2801 OCR

Officers of OCGS attended the Community Input Meeting (CIM) held under County authority to hear and comment upon the pending development plans on 2801 OCR.

2009/ Nov 1

Subj: Unscheduled OCGS Officer meeting

The OCGS officers met to discuss committing funds for possible retention of legal representation concerning the possible development of 2801 OCR.

2009/ Oct 6

Subj: Concept Plan Meeting 2801 OCR

Ron Diener, Pres OCGS, and some individuals from Greenspring East attended the concept plan meeting about 2801 OCR in Towson. OCGS may send out email if a community input meeting (CIM) is held by the developer and county.

2009/ Sept 4

Subj: General update and testimony on Bill 61-09 (speed cameras)

The OCGS rep who is also on the PCGG CAP 2020 (Community Action Plan) committee has met 3 times with other members since Jul 16 to discuss what our community wants the county to do in our area and put in the CAP 2020 Plan. The plan will be sumbitted to the community for discussion by public meeting held by the county sometimes before Feb 2010 (the next 6 months).

The Secretary of OCGS submitted comments on County council bill 61-09 concerning speed camera use in school zones. OCGS expressed that it was infavor of the bill and if passed, OCGS will lobby for a camera at Beth Tfolah and Park School locations.

2009/July 16

Subj: Shapiro Hearing Decision

Received the Hearing Officer's Decision on the proposed Shapiro Property. Copy in .pdf format under "Info on changes in our association area" in Shapiro Property.

2009/July 8

Subj: Property Tax Discount

In a slight of hand, Baltimore County has put the year rather than the day on the tax bill making seem that the bill must be paid by the 9th rather than the 31 to receive the max discount. Reading the back of the bill, you still have until the 31 for the max discount.

2009/June 26

Subj: Shapiro Property Hearing

The Hearing Officer's hearing (the last step before building permits are granted) was held at 9:00am June 26 in Towson. The hearing lasted 4 hours.  OCGS was represented by Larry Carton secty. He gave both oral and written testimony and cross examined 3 of the petitioners witnesses. OCGS mainly objected to the density of the project as well as its incompatibly to other homes in the immediate area. Homes in this development will be on less than .5 acre and will be small houses.  We do not think this development will be advantageous to home values in the area. We are also concerned about the forest buffet that will be used to shield this development from view. OCGS does not feel that it will be adequate.

We learned two other interesting items: The road will be widened to 5 lanes in front of the proposed entrance into the development which is directly across from Steven Crossing and just east of Beth Tfioh. The traffic study company said that the proposed lanes will safely handle cars even if they are going 60MPH.

Second, the State reported that traffic DROPPED on OCR from 2004 thru 2007 by 4%. After some thought by OCGS, we can only guess that this drop was a result of the completion of the widening of 695 and the closure of the Beth Tfioh lower school. As OCGS knows, the school will reopen in Sept 2009, the beltway is becoming more and more congested and OCR is being used as a bypass. OCGS expects the traffic to again increase well over State predictions creating a major safety problem.

 As no county agencies had objections to the proposed plan, it is expected that the development will get the go ahead to build 47 units.

2009/May 24

Subj: NB lane Greenspring Ave

Unconfirmed report that Verizon will move underground lines this week with the new lane project to be completed by the end of June.

2009/ May 19

Subj: Hearing Officer's Hearing - Shapiro Property

The May 21 HOH was postponed. New hearing date June 26 at 9am.

The DPC notes have now been posted on our web site.

OCGS, Stevenson Crossing, Hemsley rep, Stevenson Commons rep met with State Highway concerning the safety of the proposed access to the project. The SHA indicated that they had not received sufficient info from the developers to determine if the proposed access point was safe and until that was done no decision could be made as to whether or not a permit would be issued.

2009/ May 6

Subj: 2009 Annual meeting

The 2009 Annual Meeting was held at Karen Teplitzky's home in Eden Roc Ct. The following items were discussed:

1. Election of Officers: Ron Diener was elected Pres, Erika Schon Vice-Pres, Karen Teplitzky Treasurer, Larry Carton Secretary.

2. Treasurer report was given by K Teplitzky. The association has sufficient funds for any purpose for which we may need them. The Assoc. supplied documents to the Federal Govt. to continue our Non-profit status.

3. The members voted to continue membership in PGCC and to pay the dues.

4. The members voted to continue the insurance for the Association and Officers.

5. The members voted to keep the dues at the reduced amount of $35 for individuals. Other Member Associations dues will be reduced to $100 per year.

6. Rule 8 requirements: The assembled group voted to allow the Officers to give official testimony on any issues before any State or County Agency, etc.

7. Also discussed:
a. deer problems and solutions. The appointment of Larry Carton as deer kill counter.
b. The Electric Coop now available to PAID members of OCGS.
c. The refusal of SHA to provide any further accident reports for OCR and the OCR/Greenspring intersection.
d. The developments of the Shapiro and 2801 OCR property.

2009/May 1

Subject: Shapiro property -tentative tentative agreement May 2009

The OCGS Secty, who is also the PGCC representative and on the PGCC Shapiro Committee, received the Shapiro developer plans a few days before April 29 DPC (Development Planning Committee) meeting. The tentative agreement was received after the DPC meeting. He has not yet received the DPC responses. The Hearing Officer's Hearing is scheduled on May 21.

After reviewing the tentative agreement and the plans, he informed the PGCC Shapiro Committee that the agreement as written was NOT acceptable to OCGS and that in his opinion there was insufficient time to rewrite, review, and submit a final agreement for approval before the May 21 Hearing. (Remember this has been going on for over 1 year.)

Therefore, OCGS informed the PGCC Shapiro Committee that we will reserve our right to oppose any and all aspects of the development, including the development in its entirety and to seek such further modifications as we feel are desirable and appropriate.

Individuals who are interested in the development and the impact on our association, or wish to give comment (testify) are invited to attend the Hearing on May 21 at 9:00am 111 West Chesapeake Ave Towson Room 106.

A copy of the tentative agreement will be placed on OCGS website under -Info on Proposed Changes - Shapiro Property - Tentative Agreement May 2009.

A copy of the reasons (not an inclusive list) for OCGS rejection of the Agreement will also be posted.

Please remember, OGCS was primarily concerned with the number of units planed (the density) and the view from OCR, a scenic route. These are the areas which we can actually have some input. The items that are under State or County control, like the placement of the outlet, we have only minor if any influence to modify. 

2009/Apr 16

Subj: DPC Shapiro property

OCGS has received notice that a Development Plan Conference is scheduled on April/29/2009 at 9:00am in Room 123, 111 West Chesapeake Ave, Towson Md 21204 for the property at s/s Old Court Rd N Lightfoot DR. Project is Old Court LLC Property AKA Shapiro Property. Proposal is for 66 SFDS (Single Family Dwelling Sites)

Based on this notice, it would appear that the developers and owners plan to move ahead with 66 single family units. It would appear that the tentative agreement which was never inked or recorded was just so much smoke. (See entry for Sept 28, 2008.) OCGS will oppose the development on any and every grounds possible if this is a 66 unit development. While we are not permitted to speak at this meeting as a right, we will be submitting our objections to the shape and size of the development in writing as a first step. Hopefully, the county departments involved already have made some decisions to change the proposed 66 unit development footprint and OCGS hopes it will be more like something we were willing to accept. I remind OCGS members that under the present zoning, 100 units could be built. We thought that an agreement had been reached to limit units to 46. This would have been equal to DR-1 zoning and a compromise that OCGS could accept. This appears not to be.

2009/April 10

Subj: Electric and Gas C0-0p ino placed on front page

Information concerning the electric and gas coop by the Pikesville Chamber of Commerce has been posted. You must be a member of the Chamber or a paid OCGS member to join thru OCGS.

2009/April 2

Subj: PGCC Quarterly Meeting

Your rep. attended the Quarterly PGCC Meeting. Of interest:

1. The commercial developer (Obrecht) has asked for a change in the covenants to eliminate 2 restaurant pads and put in another office building. The office workers to help support the commercial establishments currently open. The site would be leased by a financial group plus one additional client. Sufficient parking exists.

2. The site developer (Koren) has said the NB lane of GS Ave will be completed by the end of spring. (note: This conflicts with the information given at the SHA Traffic and Safety meeting.)

2009/March 26

Subj: Format change, blog purpose

This running blog has under gone a format and editing change. A subj area has been added to help readers locate topics and my personal opinions and comments have been culled so that only facts are presented in this blog. I am considering (depending on how much work it would entail and software needed) a separate area outside this blog for comments/opinions from my self and any member of OCGS who wishes to comment or discuss activities in the area such as the traffic problems, deer problems, water, or development concerns so that OCGS members can have a dialog with each other. Maybe a listserve. Maybe members would get involved with the association.

Concerning this blog. I am not able to easily format font changes such as making "subj" bold and line spacing is very difficult. The program being used is Adobe Golive. While it is now outdated, it is the one I have and know how to use. Comments/suggestions can be sent to <>

The purpose of this blog is to allow members to see what services they receive from being dues paying members of OCGS. It is to show that the association does do something to benefit the community and that the association is active. It is to answer the question - What do I get for my dues?

2009/ March 24

Subj: Deer coordinator

See the Traffic notes below- Larry Carton (OCGS secty) has been asked by the Traffic and Safety committee to coordination deer dead reports. He will ask for reports of dead deer along OCR and will make sure the proper agency is informed to establish the necessary quota to have deer warning signs placed along OCR. Details will be included in the OCGS newsletter when issued. An email will also be sent out.

2009/ March 23

Subj: PGCC traffic committee meets with SHA -

Items discussed -

1. The State will no longer provide accident reports as detailed as the 2003-2005 reports on this web site. Although OGCS has previously promised the State that any information from these reports would not be used in any legal action, the State said it would provide only a summary if asked. OCGS will ask. (Opinion- I believe that the number and severity of accidents has increased along OCR and especially the OCR/GS interchange. As previously reported, the intersection alone was above the average for accidents as of 2005. And knowledge of increased accidents would prompt pressure to be placed on officials to take action. I do not believe the State or County has the wherewithal or the funds to correct the problems.)

2. The NB lane of GS - The completion of this project is being delayed (by as much as a year-spring 2010?) by the discovery that Verizon fiber optic cables lay under the intesection and their replacement is required before further road construction can be completed.

3. The removal of GS NB left turn sign onto OCR west - the SHA determined after review that because NB traffic does not know that status of the light for SB traffic, the potential for increased accidents was too great. Thus the sign permitting "turn on blinking" red was removed. OCGS agreed with the danger assessment

4. Emergency power backup- Twice last year, the lights at OCR and GS Ave have been completely out due to power outages. While a disabled light at an intersection section requires ALL drivers to drive as if the intersection is a 4 way stop, unfortunately this does not happen. Last year OCGS asked if a back up power system that was being tested in other parts of the State could also be used here as this intersection is a major traffic area. We were informed that the State is aware of the problem and when the system becomes available, after school crossings and other priority intersections are equipped, OCR would be in the next in the priority level.

2009/Feb 22

Subj: Left Turn signal OCR going North

Concerning the blinking red left turn arrow on the intersection of OCR and Greenspring Ave going north: the sign was taken down and instead a left turn arrow was placed on OCR going west for those people who want to make a left turn off of OCR going west and go south on Greenspring Ave. OCGS will determine the reason for the change and report it on this blog in March after meeting with SHA.

2009/Jan 24

Subj:Old Pimlico and Falls Light, new school warning sign, ORC and Greenspring Traffic signal change

The light at Old Pimlico and Falls will be activated on Monday Jan 25. It will be blinking for 3 days before going into stop light mode. This will make the intersection safer and allow an easier left turn going north for those on Old Pimlico.

The State is going to put a 'School' sign on OCR going west on the hill turn before the school at Beth Tfiloh. The purpose is to remind drivers to slow to 35mph which is the posted speed limit. There is already a sign that shows a curve symbol and which advises a speed of 35mph right before the curve.

The State, by request of other near by associations, has also placed a sign on the light at the intersection of ORC and Greenspring going north. North bound traffic will be able to make a left hand turn onto OCR (west bound) if the red arrow is blinking AFTER STOP. OCGS Assoc. does not feel that this is a safe signal change.

The State will consider puting a left turn arrow signal going east on OCR for those drivers who want to turn and go north on Greenspring, presumably to get onto one of the belt way entrances. However the stacking capacity on the west side of OCR is only about 4 cars which may not make the signal feasible. This will be reviewed by the State after the completion of the currently planed intersection upgrade.

2009/Jan 15

Subj: Annual PGCC meeting 2009

Your representative to PGCC attended the annual PGCC meeting. Political leaders or representatives present were Kevin Kamenetz, Judy Berman Delegate Dan Morhaim’s office, Bill Frank Maryland State Delegate, Steve Lafferty Maryland State Delegate, Jonathan Schwartz Delegate Jon Cardin’s office, and Dana Stein Maryland State Delegate. PGCC also had officals from the Planning Dept and State Roads in attendance. This meeting allows PGCC representatives to talk diectly to those people who can help our community.

The meeting was open to the public and notices appeared in the Jewish Times and OwingsMills Times.

2008/Dec 4

Subj: Traffic signal Old Pimlico and Falls

As part of our benefits of being a member of PGCC, we are kept up to date on events in our area. This was referred to us from PGCC who received it from State Roads:

As part of our ongoing effort to keep you informed of highway improvements affecting District 42, the Maryland State Highway Administration (SHA) is constructing a new traffic signal at the intersection of MD 25 (Falls Road) and Old Pimlico Road. Weather permitting, the new signal should be activated in January 2009. Temporary signs will be installed at the intersection prior to signal activation to alert travelers to the signal and new traffic pattern.

The poles and lights are up and ready to be activated.

2008/ Nov 5

Subj: New development proposed at 2801 OCR

2801 OCR sold for $1.1 million on Jun 23, 2008. This is a 7.7 acre lot. The Assessment and Taxation public files on the Maryland web site, reported the property was bought by a Limited Liability Corporation (LLC) named Five M LLC.

A pre-concept meeting was held between the County and the possible developer and owner on Apr 23, 2008. This meeting is not open to the public. Records show that 6 to 7 houses are planned. This would be in accordance with the DR-1 zoning on the property. A pre-concept plan conference is an initial meeting to advise the potential developer regarding applicable County regulations.

If the developer chooses to proceed, then a Concept Plan Conference, a Development Review Committee meeting, a Community Input Meeting, and possible Zoning hearings follow. The CIM is where the community gets to speak unless the CIM is waived by the DRC. The same for any Zoning Hearings.

Note that the property now has access to water but not sewage. An accel/deccel lane maybe required.

2008/Sept 30

Subj: Water lines to be installed on OCR east of Greenspring

OCGS received a call that at least one household scheduled to to have a water line laid in front of the property did not have an indication that the property was also scheduled for a tap. The householder was advised to check the paper work received from the county and if it did not have a figure for a tap, and the county had not asked what size tap he needed, then he should call the County Water Dept immediately. He did and discovered that he was not scheduled for a tap and he had that changed. To add a tap after the line is layed is double or triple the cost than if the line is tapped during construction. You must be scheduled for a tap as well as the line if you expect to have water to your house. You still have the private cost of the line from the tap to your house but the line can be put in anytime. But, no tap, then extra delay and extra cost.

2008/Sept 23

Subj: Zoning, Shapiro propety agreement, repaving OCR east, new north bound Greenspring lane, water line extension, accident reports 2006-2008, Quarry bus line

The following events have occured or are occuring in our Association area.

1. The County Council did not change any zoning in our area. There had been 1 request for an increase in zoning density.

2. There is a tentative agreement to limit the number of houses to be built on the Shapiro property accross from Stevenson Crossing. While the property is zoned for DR2 the number of houses to be built will be less than DR-1 allows. Under DR-2 a total of 100 houses are allowed, 66 were proposed and 46 are now the agreed amount as well as set back from OCR and landscaping considerations. The agreement is not final until it is inked and recorded. Hopefully this will occur in the not to distant future saving our association from proceeding further to limit development.

3. OCR from Greenspring Ave to Falls Road will be repaved shortly.

4. Work is begining on the additional north bound lane of Greenspring Ave.

5. Work will begin on Sept 23 to extend the water line from Greenspring Ave to Grasty Rd.

6. The State highway Dept has failed to supply accident reports for OCR after several requests. Therefore it has not been updated on our website. We will continue to ask for the reports and will have them up on our site as soon as they are received.

7. There is now a public bus line that runs into the Quarry to service the businesses. The residental area is opposed to the line and the MTA has indicated that it will review rider figures before deciding whether or not to discontinue service.

2008/June 4

Subj: County Council meeting activities

The secretary of OGGS attended the county council meeting held at Pikesville HS and gave comments concerning the proposed zoning requests filed for properties in our association. This is the last step before the council decides on zoning change requests. Contact was also made with members of the planning board concerning other proposed developments in our association area that may or may not occur.

2008/June 3

Subj: Shapiro property activities

Your representative attended a meeting of the Shapiro committee. In talks with the developer, we believe that the developer will be willing to reduce the size of the proposed development to meet DR-1 zoning instead of the higher zoning he now has. That would be a decrease of some 16 houses and would almost shield view of the development from OCR. A larger entrance has also been proposed. Both proposals would help reduce the traffic and make the development more in line with surrounding existing development. Talks still continue and we hope to get more FCE (forest conservation easement) to push the development even further back from the road.

2008/May 14

Subj: Traffic issues, repaving OCR east, NB Greenspring lane

OCGS, as member of PGCC, met with Baltimore County and State highway officials to discuss several traffic issues. Of interest of OCGS: The repaving of the east side of Old Court Rd will be more of a patch job rather than a full repaving. The additional NB lane of Greenspring Ave will begin soon and hopefully be completed by Sept.

2008/Apr 28

Subj: Shapiro development activities

Your PGCC representative, along with two other PGCC representatives from the Shapiro committee met with personnel from the Office of Planning to discuss the proposed development on the Shapiro property and the CAPS (Community Action Plan) which is part of the County's Master-Plan 2010.

2008/Apr 7

Subj: DRC BT meeting

Your OCGS secty attended the DRC (Development Review Committee) meeting concerning the request by Beth Tfiloh for variances on construction of the new parking lot. The Association was allowed to speak and we requested that, in accordance with the covenants that are in place, the landscaping be extremely dense and sufficient to buffer the parking lot from view from OCR which is a State scenic biway and a County scenic highway.

2008/Mar 27

Subj: Shapiro development committee formed

Your PGCC representative met with other representatives from adjoining associations and formed a PGCC committee (composed of PGCC members and non-members) to discuss various concerns and what options are available to mitigate the impact of the proposed new development at OCR and Lightfoot Dr. (Concerns are protecting scenic views, SWM, traffic, access safety, and compatibility with surrounding housing).

2008/Mar 13

Subj: Donating open space, proposed development on Shapiro property

The OCGS secty attended the PGCC quarterly board meeting. Of interest was the representative from NeighborSpace. This group accepts small parcels of property for use in perpetuity as open space. The OCGS association has the honor of having the first property in Maryland donated to NeighborSpace. It is a one acre wooded parcel off Branchwood Ct. If you are interested in keeping a piece of property undeveloped and get a tax deduction, please call the secty for information. There have also been several parcels in our association that have been donated to the Maryland Envirmental Trust.

The other major issue concerned the proposed 66 home development on OCR near Lightfoot Dr. OCGS is opposed to the proposed lot size (70 foot lots) and the affect to the scenic view of OCR. Traffic safety may also be a problem as the site lines are not good. The additional 700 daily average trips that could be generated by a development this size could exacerbate the traffic and safety problems.

2008/Mar 6

Subj: CZMP public meeting

The OGCS secty attended the public Zoning Hearing (part of the CZMP-Comprehensive Zoning Map Process) at Pikesville Sr High School. The secty spoke for zoning issues in our Association area. PGCC also spoke for issues in our association as well as other areas found in the CAP (Community Action Plan) for our combined area and which has been adopted as part of the County's Master Plan 2010.


2008/Mar 5

Subj: CIM on Shapiro property

The OCGS secty attended the public CIM (Community Input Meeting) at Summit Park Elementary School for the proposed development. The purpose of the CIM is to inform the public of the plans for the development and elicit comments. It is not to resolve possible problems. The most common comment was traffic and how it could possibly be improved. It was also stated that the 66 sfds(single family dwelling sites) would generate approx 660 adt (average daily trips), the lot sizes would be approx 1/4 acre, no house configuration has been decided upon, and the only entrance possible would be directly across from Stevenson Crossing. There was concern with storm water runoff especially on Lightfoot Drive. The CIM is only the second of many steps required before the project can move a head. The only place the community really has power is at the hearing officer hearing level which may be as soon as 6 months or a couple of years away depending on how fast the project moves.


2008/Feb 26

Subj: Shapiro property meeting

The OCGS rep to PGCC, along with other reps to PGCC from member associations, met in a private meeting with the attorney and engineer for the Shapiro property to determine what problems or solutions were available to ease the impact of the proposed development.

2008/Feb 18

Subj: Road marking on OCR east

The numbers from 1 thru 69 are painted on the street surface of Old Court Rd from Greenspring Ave to Falls Rd. They are markings to guide the future repaving of that part of OCR.

2008/ Feb 11

Subj: 66 NEW HOUSES ON OLD COURT RD - Shapiro property

A Community Input Meeting  (CIM) will be held on March 5, 2008 at Summit Park Elementary School Cafeteria, 6920 Diana Rd, Baltimore, Maryland 21209. Time is 7PM.

 The CIM will be open to the public and will be about the proposed 66 single family dewellings (SFDs) on the Shapiro property to be built on the south side of Old Court Rd, North east of Light foot Drive, and west of Greenspring Ave. The access road into the development will be directly across from Old Crossing Drive, just east of Beth Tfiloa.

 This is the time and place where the developer and the county will listen to comments from the community. They do not need to follow the suggestions or complaints, but they must listen to them.

 PS-While the county does not normally take into account traffic when approving new developments, it did in this case require a traffic study. According to prior traffic studies done in this area, each SFD will generate 10 additional trips per day or approx 660 additional cars on the road sometime during the day. That should impact the traffic at the OCR/Greenspring intersection as well as the light where OCR and Stevenson meet as well as 7 Mile lane light and Lightfoot.

2008/Jan 28

Subj: Concept Plan Conference - Shapiro property

The secty of OCGS attended the 9am Concept Plan Conference held by Baltimore County in Towson for the proposed 66 single family dewelling to be built on the south side of OCR across from Stevenson Crossing. The county informs the proposed developer of those items or conditions to be met in order for the proposed development to procede. No one else is allowed to speak or comment at this conference meeting. The Secty has a copy of the county's conditions and recomendations. A CIM (Community Input Meeting) is required to be held. The developer and the county give surrounding residents a chance to speak on the proposed development. The date will be March 5 at 6:30pm. Location has not yet been confirmed. The secty will email all OCGS members who have provided email addresses about the meeting and final location selected. This meeting is when you,the public, get to speak.

2008/Jan 24

Subj: OCGS annual meeting 2008

The annual meeting of OCGS Improvement Association was held. Notices went out to all paid up members and recently paid up members who provided email addresses. (Actually, anyone who provided an email address was invited to attend although only paid members get to vote.) The current officers - Diener, Schon, Teplitzky, and Carton were reelected. The Pres and Secty were authorized to speak to any county/ state body on behalf of OCGS for the 2008 term. Discussed were - traffic on Greenspring/ OCR and the delay in building the extra NB lane on Greenspring, the pending development of 66 single family dewellings on the south side of OCR directly across from Stevenson Crossing on 48 acres of property, and other topics affecting our association. The secty hoped to be able to send out a newsletter in March to all households, paid members or not, giving more details and dues notices .

2008 /Jan 15

Subj: PCGG annual meeting 2008

The OCGS secretary and the OCGS Treasurer attended the annual PGCC meeting held at Baltimore Hebrew. Del. Steve Lafferty and County Council president Kevin Kamenetz also attended. Jeff Mayhew from the county office of planning and representatives of the development at the Quarry were also present.

If you want further information, you can certainly attend the OCGS annual meeting or become a representative for OCGS to PGCC.

2007/Nov 27

Subj: Education volunteers

The OCGS secretary, who is also the designated representative to the Board of PGCC (Pikesville-Greenspring Community Coalition - the umbrella neighbor association group of which we are a member) attended the quarterly PGCC meeting. Of interest was a request by a member of the NAAC (Northwest Area Advisory Council) to the Baltimore County School Board. The member, Arnold Potler, is interested in contacting community members who have the time, and the interest, to volunteer in any capacity in our neighborhood schools. Arnold is also Chair of the Education Committee of PGCC and President of Dumbarton Stevenson Improvement Association. Contact him at <>

2007/Nov 13

Subj: DRC lot line adjustment

 The OCGS secretary, was present at the DRC (Development Review Committee) meeting held in Towson concerning a proposed lot line adjustment for property located in our association. The purpose of the request was to make certain lots more attractive for future sale. The proposed adjustment will not affect zoning or building density.

2007/ Sept  25

Subj: NB lane Greenspring Ave

  There were several items discussed at the PGCC meeting that concerned OCGS including Zoning and a couple of traffic issues. The issue that is most pertinent to OGCS is the continued delay in construction of the additional NB lane for Greenspring Ave mentioned in previous notes. It seems that the project is on hold because of a watershed drainage problem. Until the problem can be resolved, no construction permit will be issued.

2007/July 13

Subj: OCGS annual meeting 2007

The OCGS annual meeting was held Jul 13. Attendance was very very sparse. Diener, Schon, Tplitzky, and Carton were reelected as officers for the coming year. One item discussed was the CZMP (Zoning of property) which begins in Sept. Several properties in our association area were discussed for possible requests for rezoning.  If you missed the meeting, see our next newsletter for details.

2007/June 27

Subj: Speed camera, NB Greenspring Ave lane

On June 21 the Baltimore County held the Neighborhood Traffic Management Program Meeting. Basically this meeting was about traffic claming, traffic claming devices, and the process and rules underlying the current requirements. Your OCGS representative attended. One item discussed was speed cameras. The State Highway Administration (SHA) rep stated that - Speed cameras cannot be used at this time because -- MD LAW -- police cannot use automated speed enforcement without authorization from the state legislature. A pilot program is now underway in Montgomery Co. It became operational this year, but it will take time to get the report on the effectiveness of this study. Once the pilot program is concluded, the State legislature may (or may not) approve the use of speed cameras. Until then - can't use them anywhere but for the pilot program.

Should this program be approved by the State, the OCGS rep will ask the membership to authorize a request to be made by OCGS for such cameras on OCR and on Greenspring where it crosses OCR.

  We also had the chance to ask after the meeting about the delay in the additional NB lane for Greenspring Ave. We were told that the only thing holding up the project was a State Waste Water permit. There is some question about storm water run-off and how it can be handled if an additional lane is added. When the engineers are done, the work will proceed.

2007/March 22

 Subj: Latest Quarry update on signed leases:

 The Fresh Market, Starbucks, BB&T, Natural Cleaners, Verizon, Walgreen’s, Jasmine Restaurant, Ciao/Carmine’s Restaurant

 Office One building: Greenspring Surgery Center, Mid-Atlantic Neurosurgical, Life Bridge Lab, Kreiger Eye, Health Associates, Health Trends, Dr. Malinow & Oster, Ortho MD.


Subj: Traffic meeting with SHA, deer problem, OCR Greenspring high accident rate

OCGS participated with PGCC in a meeting with State and County Road officials concerning traffic problems in the PGCC area including problems along MD 133 (Old Court Rd)

 Several issues became apparent:

  1. Concerning deer and the request for deer signs and road reflectors to warn drivers and frighten off deer when a car’s headlights are on- The State indicated that there were not enough incidents to meet the level to require signs or reflectors. It was discovered through discussion that the State only counts those incidents it handles. If the county or the SPCA made the report or picked up the deer, they did not report to the State nor did the State coordinate with any other agency or group. The State agreed to look into making arrangements with at least the county to coordinate statistics for purposes of counting incidents. If you have a deer accident or see dead deer, call State roads with your report and not the county or SPCA so that we can be assured we get a full accounting.
  2. Accidents: MD133 (OCR) at Greenspring Ave is a high accident intersection and the accident rate exceeded allowable limits for the State in 2004 and 2005 (no figures are available yet for 2006 and for any quarter of 2007. Traffic of course has increased since 2005 but that is for future counting, and we can assume the statistics would be even worse.( I will post a PDF of the accident report on this web site.) There were 15 accidents recorded for 2003-2005 for the intersection. If police were not involved, there is no count.
  3. By the way there were 41 accidents listed for OCR from Falls Rd to Park Heights Ave 2004-2005. (I will post a PDF.) However, it is noted that this 41 did not include an additional 6 more accidents which occurred at OCR and Greenspring and are on the other report. When I pointed this fact out to State Highway, they said it was a coding problem. So that comes to 47 accidents when you count those as well. This is on a 35 MPH road. Also there were only two vehicle-animal (deer) accidents for the 3 year period. OGCS questions this statistic. There were 2 deer accidents just the first quarter of 2007 alone. One, by one of our OCGS members, was reported to police so I expect it to show up in the accident report for 2007. The other, which occured in front 3004 OCR, caused car damage. The broken glass was on the road along with the deer.


The “exceeded allowable limits” means that if and when any work is done on intersections in our area, OCR at Greenspring will be given priority. It does not mean the State or county are planning to do anything. The State declined to put in battery backup power for the intersection or put in a red light camera. The battery backups are only in the test stage and require the lights in the intersection to be replaced by special expensive bulbs drawing less power. The State is not yet replacing those lights and there have not been enough injuries or deaths in the intersection to allow a red light camera.

  4. The additional northbound lane to the beltway on Greenspring Ave is still scheduled but is currently delayed to at least the summer.

2007/Jan/ 10

Subj: PGCC annual meeting - discussion of Quarry commercial area

At the annual PGCC meeting held on Jan 9 at Baltimore Hebrew Cong on Park Heights Ave. there were two speakers concerning the Quarry. Mike Kotishion of Beazer Homes said that the building of private homes and the 5 condos buildings is anticipated to be completed in about 3 years. Tom Obrecht of Obrecht Properties LLC said that he anticipated that the commercial area would be completed in about 18 months. The area where the sales trailer is now located would become a small park and there would be pathways along part of the lake as well as a low fence for safety. No water recreation facilities are currently planned for the lake.

In the commercial area there will be a fresh food store, a Walgreens, a cleaners, a Verizon store, a BB&T bank, one Italian style restaurant among the 4 planned, and an Ice Cream store.

There will be 3 office buildings. One will be almost entirely filled by Sinai Life Bridge along with other medical offices.


Subj: Speed limit change on Greenspring Ave

PGCC has informed OCGS that Baltimore County will reduce the speed limit on Greenspring Ave from 40MPH to 35MPH on or about Dec 12, 2006 (give or take a few weeks).

Please note that when this new speed limit is enforced by police, traffic points and fines will be higher than they were under the old speed limit if a motorist continues to travel at speeds in excess of 40MPH. The additional 5MPH will put speeders into a higher penalty category.

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